Monday, December 12, 2011

LIVE Raw thoughts (Slammy Edition) - December 12, 2011

11:05 - I guess that answers that! Kane is back!! And he seems to be a hybrid or his past incarnations. His tights have both the stitching look, and the flames. I kinda like the mask he enters with, although it makes him look like the Predator. And the half mask underneath (the one that looks like the one I never liked) kinda works. This could be an interesting mini-feud to keep Cena busy.

10:57 - I don't know if any other readers (you're out there, right?) are checking out the comments section, but Kyle and I are talking about plans for Cena leading into WrestleMania. One question I posed was whether he was even on the card for this weekend's PPV. According to WWE.com, he's not, and there are already 6 matches scheduled. I assume a Divas match will be added as well. And to be honest, there's nobody left off of the card that he's even casually feuding with. I like Cena and I think I understand his value to the company, but personally I don't think it'd be a bad idea to leave him off of some of the PPV cards leading to Mania in order to build the story of his reaction to the fans turning on him. Allow that story to flesh out organically, instead of attempting to manipulate reactions (positive or negative) based on his opponents. Leave him off of TLC, use him at the Rumble, and then use the Rumble to Mania with pure build. Which means no match at Elimination Chamber.

10:45 - The universe has righted itself here. Congrats Punk. But do you agree? Take my survey!!

10:37 - Well it seems pretty obvious to me that CM Punk SHOULD win Superstar of the year. But since he's been laid out and thus cannot accept the award (since it would take away from the beating he took), I would say his chances aren't good. And considering that it'll probably lead directly to the last match, I'm guessing it'll either be John Cena or Mark Henry. Hey, maybe they'll shock us and give it to Henry. But it really should go to Punk.

10:26 - My guess is the Muppets win, since they probably already filmed something for them for Tribute to the Troops. Who should win? Hugh Jackman.

10:19 - I love the fact that they're teasing that Kane will be wearing the mask again. And the videos have been cool, too. I just hate that they're using the mask I disliked the most. Why not go back to the classic one, or the black version of the classic one?

10:08 - I don't know if you caught it a moment ago, but Michael Cole just told people that JR released his rap on Twitter and urged people to check JR's Twitter page to read it. So WWE is now using their show to alert people to check Twitter. Shouldn't it be the other way around?

10:03 - So why exactly are Cole and King talking about how Punk doesn't even need to be involved in the decision to lose the title, and how Miz could pin ADR to win the title. They do know they're fighting in a TLC match, right? Where the only way to win is to grab the title from the ladder?

10:00 - Their tricky editing is how I would have ended the match in the first place. Orton chases off Barrett and Miz slips back in.

9:50 - I'm glad Cena showed a little hostility and edge towards Rock tonight. He's usually so pandering and respectful, but it's nice to see him stick it to the fans a bit for reminding them that they keep cheering for a guy that never shows up. Of course, as I write this, he's back to kissing up to Rock.

9:46 - I see Edge winning this one, especially with Christian presenting. I swear to Christ, if Nash wins it, though....

9:43 - I will say this, the Slammy Awards also provide us with some fun returns and reunions.

9:37 - Why was the winner's name in an envelope when the winner was determined during the match?

9:35 - Absolutely fantastic match, which helps make up for the lackluster in-ring action earlier. And c'mon, deep down we all knew Daniel Bryan was going to eat that pin, right?

9:31 - So the latest 1/2/12 video has been posted on YouTube and it's an interesting one:
I have wondered this since the last video, but who does the little girl in the video represent? The overall assessment seems to be that this is marking the return of Jericho, and I'm inclined to agree, but there really hasn't been any females in Jericho's past. Except for Trish, but this little girl actually reminds me more of Lita. Or is the girl something symbolic, like she represents 2012 or WWE or something. Thoughts?

9:25 - So according to my Twitter feed, both Ryder and Ziggler are trending, but Ryder is trending higher. Yet they're both below Tony Atlas!

9:22 - For those of you wondering, according to his Twitter page, this was the rap JR had intended on performing during the opening segment:
Michael Cole you're a damn fool.
King beat you like a government mule.
I should call Raw, you're not in my class.
You kissed King's feet, now you can kiss my ass!

9:19 - So what happens if none of them trend by the time the match ends? Do they just have them continue to wrestle until they get confirmation that somebody is trending?

9:17 - I mean, Zack Ryder has to win this one, right?

9:10 - Ah, gotta love Triple H. The one guy too cool for a Slammy. So why are we watching?

9:04 - Triple H's entrance has surpassed the amount of wrestling we've had tonight. Listen, I like the Slammy Awards, but this year has been disappointing. Aside from Punk, the winners have been pretty bland. Unfortunately, there hasn't been any action to counter that.

9:02 - I'm not surprised Undertaker/Triple H won.....honestly, I thought it should have.....until I saw that Punk winning the title was a contender as well. THAT was the moment of the year that everybody was talking about. That should have won.

8:57 - I like Kelly more than most people, but Beth's Glam Slam to Eve on the top rope was visually almost as great as the Mark Henry/Big Show slam.

8:54 - Is it me or has Lita's mic skills really improved since she retired? I don't know if the current crop of Divas just sound so manufactured and fake, but Lita seemed really natural and comfortable behind the mic.

8:44 - It's too bad they couldn't edit that opening segment into the Pipe Bomb montage.

8:38 - Road Dogg coming out is a nice little surprise, actually. Him coming out in an HBK/HHH DX shirt is funny.....didn't he and Billy Gunn rip them apart in all those interviews?

8:34 - Is it me, or did Big Show kinda crap on the concept of going through a table and getting hit with a chair? Just before a PPV built on that very premise.

8:31 - This "Holy Blank/Bleep/You-Know-What" nonsense is getting annoying. Obviously, you can't say what you want to say. And these cutesy ways of getting around it are not edgy. Just call it "Holy Cow" and get it over with.

8:23 - Told ya.

8:21 - Big Show/Henry will win this one. They LOVE that clip, and it'll push their PPV match. Don't even need to see all of the nominees.

8:20 - Foley looks pretty good in a suit, it's really too bad he doesn't dress better.

8:13 - Wow, pretty terrible opener. Why do I have a feeling that JR wasn't supposed to forget his lyrics like that? I have to say, Cole actually came close to saving that segment by interrupting JR when he clearly forgot the next line.

What I find frustrating, though, is that they keep bringing back JR, but it's to do things like dance offs and rap competitions and spineroonies. If they recognize JR's popularity and he's willing to participate, why not let him just do what he does best? Or at the very least, let him do something where he can contribute to the product? It's getting uncomfortable to watch.

8:03 - Well since it's a special Slammy edition of Raw, I thought this would be the perfect time to unveil my own yearly award nominations. Please take a moment to take my survey:

17 comments:

Kyle Litke said...

I'd bet you 100 bucks JR didn't "forget his lyrics" because I'll bet they didn't tell him he was going to do it, just threw him to the wolves.

Kyle Litke said...

My responses to your survey:

Superstar of the Year: Punk. To me it was between him and Mark Henry (how sad is it that Del Rio won the Rumble, became a two time champion, and had a title match at WM, and I didn't even consider him?).

Breakout Star: I picked Ryder. I reeeeeally wanted to pick Ziggler, but breakout star implies to me they're higher on the card than they were to start the year, and I'm not sure that's the case. Ziggler's maybe slightly better off, and he's got a lot of momentum behind him, but I don't think he broke out yet. Ryder went from "probably about to be fired" to "probably the next US champ who fans are very much behind".

Most disappointing: Definitely Morrison. If not for the MitB win, might have been Bryan, but Morrison went from "#2 face on Raw after Mysterio's injury and before Punk's turn" to "see ya!".

Most successful 2012: Ziggler. Aside from Punk, my main reason I even watch. Ziggler's fantastic. I almost went with Barrett because I think they're more behind him, but I think Ziggler's going to force the issue. He's too damn good, in the ring, on the microphone, in his mannerisms.

Shocking story: Edge, no question.

Shift in character: Definitely Mark Henry.

Most negative: Hardy. Chavo was close but only one of those people posted a fake suicide note to promote himself. By the way, what did MVP do? I never saw anything bad about him, but I don't follow him either.

Storyline Fumble: Punk/Cena. Raw Walkout was annoying and I HATED the anonymous GM thing, but I don't think in the end either thing would have made much money. Punk/Cena and then Punk/HHH could have, but they botched it so badly it sucked.

Change WWE Title: I said yes. I would have said no, but when people on WWE.com are quoting John Cena saying it should be changed, that implies to me WWE intends to change it at some point relatively soon.

WWE Network success: Honestly, almost impossible to answer because we don't know EXACTLY when it launches (just a good idea), whether it will be on all kinds of TV networks or just a couple, how much it will cost, etc. I assume there's almost no way it's a financial success in 2012 unless it does insanely well, since 2012 is when they'll have to do all the work setting it up. It's a long term thing, I would think.

Kyle Litke said...

If that's the case, hope nobody trends! I'd much rather see these guys wrestle for the next hour and a half than the crap they'll probably put on instead.

Matt Basilo said...

This is a great foursome. It'll make up for the lackluster and sparse in-ring action tonight.

Kyle Litke said...

The girl totally throws me off. I can't come up with any possibilities that have really had a female tied to them during their career for more than a minor storyline (ala Jericho and Trish). Makes me think it might just be symbolic, but we'll see.

Kyle Litke said...

I guess you could bring back Undertaker and Michelle, but they were never tied together on screen I don't think.

Matt Basilo said...

For a short while I considered the possibility that Edge was returning in some capacity, with the little girl representing Lita. Don't think that's the case, though.

Kyle Litke said...

Speaking of, Edge should have won the game changer. I know it's "booked" so they wanted to do the Cena/Rock thing (and Edge probably isn't even there), but that was a serious game changer. Think about it. What happens if Edge doesn't retire? You probably have the Orton/Christian storyline as Edge/Christian like they seemed to be building to. Which probably means Orton stays on Raw, and if Orton stays on Raw, there is no way Punk gets pushed like he did. He might not even still be in the company at this point. Cena/Rock isn't really a game changer right now, what has it given us in 2011? One Survivor Series match and a couple Raws where Cena whines about Rock not being there before kissing his ass while Rock shows up via satelite and rants about Cena.

Matt Basilo said...

And while I think we both agree that Christian had his greatest success in his feud with Orton, I also think it's fair to say that Edge would have made him look even better, considering their friendship.

Matt Basilo said...

Then again, maybe Christian wouldn't have gotten the sentimental title reign in the first place if Edge never retired.

Kyle Litke said...

Here's a question, what do you think happens in the TLC match? I think Punk should win but I'm not so sure he does, only because as of right now, what's John Cena going to do? It makes no sense for him to enter the Rumble. What if he won? He can't challenge for the title at WM, he's already facing Rock, unless Rock won the title before WM. Now that Elimination Chamber is firmly established as the February PPV, it wouldn't make sense to do the "Challenge for the title early!" thing again. Which makes me think Cena might wrestle for the WWE title at the Rumble, and I don't see them doing Punk/Cena again there. Which would mean Cena/Miz or Cena/ADR. I hope I'm wrong, but I could really see it happening.

Matt Basilo said...

I see Punk retaining. I'm honestly not convinced they have any sort of immediate direction at the moment regarding the WWE Championship, so I see them sticking with Punk because he's over and successful. I see them doing a Punk/Miz individual feud going into Rumble, and then building towards a Punk/Jericho WWE Championship match for Mania.

Kyle Litke said...

What do you think they'll do with Cena at the Rumble?

Kyle Litke said...

In THEORY, the Superstar of the Year is an online vote, not selected by WWE, so Punk could still win.

They also could just lie and pick who they want.

Punk should win. Henry would be okay. Miz shouldn't but did at least win the main event of Wrestlemania. ADR did win the Rumble and two WWE titles. Orton and Cena really did nothing particularly special this year and Cena in particular has come off more as Rock's bitch than anything else, so it'll be a joke if he wins it. Which probably means he does.

Matt Basilo said...

Do they even have anything for him for the PPV this Sunday? I figure they have a couple options -- they could do Punk vs. Cena vs. Miz. Or they could even do Punk vs. Cena, since they have great chemistry and it'll be a last ditch effort for Cena to get the title for his match with Rock. Or they could have him enter the Rumble, where he'll outwardly state that he will take his title shot at Elimination Chamber instead.

Kyle Litke said...

No, Cena doesn't have a match at TLC, which is why I doubt he'd miss two PPVs in a row. I'm not sure I see them blowing off a Punk/Cena match at the Rumble, when they traditionally like to sell the PPV on the Rumble and use that spot for a "lesser" guy. I still have my fingers crossed for Punk/Ziggler.

They could do that with Cena, I'd rather see them not do that, though. Elimination Chamber as the February PPV really works to me, as it gives so many possible options. Cena cashing in for a one on one title shot loses the Raw Elimination Chamber match, which would suck.

Kyle Litke said...

Well, that probably answers our Cena debate.

Incidently, I would put him in a match at Elimination Chamber, in the Raw EC. That way you get the whole "I want to win the title and face Rock with the title on the line" storyline one last time.